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		<title>By: Marketing Helper &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guest Post from Justin Owen, The Good and the Brave</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Marketing Helper &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guest Post from Justin Owen, The Good and the Brave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Justin I really appreciate your comments and will be bringing your suggestions to my discussion group Friday. Great input and hope to see your comments again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Justin I really appreciate your comments and will be bringing your suggestions to my discussion group Friday. Great input and hope to see your comments again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Jen, it wasn&#039;t supposed to be criticism and I greatly appreciate conversation. It was just that I disagreed with the way I INTERPRETED your post. I did take part in the CB discussion but clearly came to different conclusions. 

It may well be the senders&#039; resources, but in using paper, ink and transport they are wasting natural resources which belong to all of us (hippy look out I know). Not to mention the energy taken to pick it back up, pulp, bleach and recycle.

By sending out unsolicited email, companies are wasting our time resources (in sorting through our inboxes and deleting them). Inboxes full of unsolicited messages affect the impact and therefore ROI of permission based email campaigns, thereby wasting other companies&#039; (my clients) resources. 

I think you can put a blanket rule over email marketing:
If someone asks you to send email newsletters, send to them, get feedback, make them better
If someone gives you a business card, market to them in a different way (dm, telephone etc) and let them decide on the value of the relationship and whether they subsequently want to subscribe to your email newsletter. It&#039;s a long way round but will develop stronger, more profitable relationships. 

Anyway, I think I&#039;ve probably annoyed you enough for today :-) Sorry if I caused any offence/ irritation. I&#039;ve followed you on Twitter so will look forward to more lively debates soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Jen, it wasn&#8217;t supposed to be criticism and I greatly appreciate conversation. It was just that I disagreed with the way I INTERPRETED your post. I did take part in the CB discussion but clearly came to different conclusions. </p>
<p>It may well be the senders&#8217; resources, but in using paper, ink and transport they are wasting natural resources which belong to all of us (hippy look out I know). Not to mention the energy taken to pick it back up, pulp, bleach and recycle.</p>
<p>By sending out unsolicited email, companies are wasting our time resources (in sorting through our inboxes and deleting them). Inboxes full of unsolicited messages affect the impact and therefore ROI of permission based email campaigns, thereby wasting other companies&#8217; (my clients) resources. </p>
<p>I think you can put a blanket rule over email marketing:<br />
If someone asks you to send email newsletters, send to them, get feedback, make them better<br />
If someone gives you a business card, market to them in a different way (dm, telephone etc) and let them decide on the value of the relationship and whether they subsequently want to subscribe to your email newsletter. It&#8217;s a long way round but will develop stronger, more profitable relationships. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think I&#8217;ve probably annoyed you enough for today <img src='http://www.marketing-helper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sorry if I caused any offence/ irritation. I&#8217;ve followed you on Twitter so will look forward to more lively debates soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I welcome the comments, I do not however appreciate criticism without conversation. Our discussion involved Chris Brogan&#039;s definition of SPAM, that is why I clarified in my last comment. However, I think a lot of people probably agree with your definition of SPAM. 

I, too, sometimes get frustrated when companies send me unwanted junk mail that I didn&#039;t ask for, completely wasting their resources. However, it is THEIR resources and I don&#039;t NECESSARILY count out a relationship with that company just because they sent me mail I didn&#039;t ask for.

And that was the whole point of this post, was to say that every situation is different and every person is different. You cannot put a blanket rule over everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I welcome the comments, I do not however appreciate criticism without conversation. Our discussion involved Chris Brogan&#8217;s definition of SPAM, that is why I clarified in my last comment. However, I think a lot of people probably agree with your definition of SPAM. </p>
<p>I, too, sometimes get frustrated when companies send me unwanted junk mail that I didn&#8217;t ask for, completely wasting their resources. However, it is THEIR resources and I don&#8217;t NECESSARILY count out a relationship with that company just because they sent me mail I didn&#8217;t ask for.</p>
<p>And that was the whole point of this post, was to say that every situation is different and every person is different. You cannot put a blanket rule over everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Jen, the definition of SPAM is where we disagree I guess :-) 

What is SPAM? &quot;Getting email / newsletters from ANYONE whom you have not specifically requested said email / newsletters from. &quot;

&quot;...email marketing is no different than getting a piece of junk in the mail… sometimes you read it, sometimes you don’t. Either way, you have the opportunity to throw it out.&quot; 

No. You see, I throw the junk mail away because I didn&#039;t ask for it - it also makes me angry with the company for wasting resources. Whereas I read the email I subscribe to and trust the company that sends it.

I agree with Brian, it sounds like you&#039;re bending &#039;digital law&#039; to suit your sales and marketing needs, rather than the wants and needs of potential recipients. If as you say, this isn&#039;t what we are talking about here, then I&#039;m sorry to have wasted your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jen, the definition of SPAM is where we disagree I guess <img src='http://www.marketing-helper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>What is SPAM? &#8220;Getting email / newsletters from ANYONE whom you have not specifically requested said email / newsletters from. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;email marketing is no different than getting a piece of junk in the mail… sometimes you read it, sometimes you don’t. Either way, you have the opportunity to throw it out.&#8221; </p>
<p>No. You see, I throw the junk mail away because I didn&#8217;t ask for it &#8211; it also makes me angry with the company for wasting resources. Whereas I read the email I subscribe to and trust the company that sends it.</p>
<p>I agree with Brian, it sounds like you&#8217;re bending &#8216;digital law&#8217; to suit your sales and marketing needs, rather than the wants and needs of potential recipients. If as you say, this isn&#8217;t what we are talking about here, then I&#8217;m sorry to have wasted your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was part of our debate in our discussion on Friday. &quot;What is SPAM?&quot; We think of SPAM by its definition: mail that comes from someone you don&#039;t know and have never done business with.

That isn&#039;t what we are talking about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was part of our debate in our discussion on Friday. &#8220;What is SPAM?&#8221; We think of SPAM by its definition: mail that comes from someone you don&#8217;t know and have never done business with.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t what we are talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree you I&#039;m afraid. SPAM is a huge problem. Adding people to your mailing list and sending out willy nilly, with the attitude that &quot;if they don&#039;t want it, they can always unsubscribe&quot; is EXACTLY why DM campaigns are deemed successful if they achieve 2.5% Valid permission based email is the true way to a great relationship. Spam (no matter how valid you think it is) destroys consumer confidence in the channel and negatively affects other people&#039;s valid campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree you I&#8217;m afraid. SPAM is a huge problem. Adding people to your mailing list and sending out willy nilly, with the attitude that &#8220;if they don&#8217;t want it, they can always unsubscribe&#8221; is EXACTLY why DM campaigns are deemed successful if they achieve 2.5% Valid permission based email is the true way to a great relationship. Spam (no matter how valid you think it is) destroys consumer confidence in the channel and negatively affects other people&#8217;s valid campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will share your criticism with my Friday morning group and see what they have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will share your criticism with my Friday morning group and see what they have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.marketing-helper.com/2010/03/re-stop-adding-me-to-your-email-newsletter/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you&#039;re looking for excuses to do something you know isn&#039;t right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re looking for excuses to do something you know isn&#8217;t right.</p>
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